I am tired of your "but will it corner" nonsense

"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno)
07/13/2014 at 02:39 • Filed to: HELLCAT

If SRT can make a Jeep corner decently , the Challenger will too.

Or, you all could chill and realize the Challenger was never built to corner like a Lotus, but rather go very fast in a straight line.

Grand Tourer, not track-attacker.

DISCUSSION (40)

The man in the iron mask > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 02:43

Kinja'd!!!

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 02:43

But... will it corner?

Jayhawk Jake > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 02:46

Have you sat in/driven a Challenger?

For all the shit the Camaro takes for feeling heavy, the Challenger is that enormous. I'm sure it will handle fine, but honestly if I wanted a track car I'd probably rather have the Cherokee SRT8...

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 02:46

Well obviously it can take corners, this is 2014 for christ's sake. But in comparison to any of the other big 3 flagships does it even come close? Doubtful. Which is perfectly fine, but at its price point and power level, I'd much rather buy a GT500 or ZL1 and be rip both a quick 1/4 and lap time.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
07/13/2014 at 02:47

Probably, just not as well as the Boss or Z/28.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jayhawk Jake
07/13/2014 at 02:49

I have sat in a Challenger. I actually enjoyed how big it was. Big car with a big motor for a big man. It's the roomiest coupe I've ever sat in.

Dodge never marketed the Challenger as a track toy. Hell most of their commercials consist of it driving fast in a straight line or doing burnouts or both. That's why I don't think of it needed to handle supremely well.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 02:51

Also, the Camaro and Mustang were bred from the same idea the Challenger and Charger were. But, they have since evolved into something more than a V8 on rails.

Props to Dodge for actually making a GT500/ZL1 fighter though. Those three cars alone have more 'Merica in them than Lincoln's beard.

DanZman > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 02:51

The Grand Cherokee corners decently for a Jeep and it has the benefit of AWD. This will not corner any better than the current SRT challenger.

That and the one thats been spotted in the wild was sporting 275s in the rear... traction will be laughable but thats not necessarily a bad thing

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches.
07/13/2014 at 02:52

But, the Challenger has usable rear seats and a bloody massive trunk. Two things I know for a fact the Camaro doesn't have, and I'm pretty sure the Mustang doesn't either.

The Challenger has a different mission from the other two, and people who want what the Challenger offers buy the Challenger. People who want what the other offer buy those. I for one am in the Challenger party.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 02:54

Bro, if it doesn't corner as well as its competitors it has to suck.

Kinja'd!!!

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 02:54

Ive sat in the back seat of one, its surprisingly roomy in there, but impossible to get out of.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > DanZman
07/13/2014 at 02:55

Clearly Dodge wants owners to burn the living hell out of the back tires. Perfectly fine.

oldirtybootz > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 02:55

Thank you! Who gives a fuck, it has 707hp!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
07/13/2014 at 02:56

Well that's just because coupe.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > oldirtybootz
07/13/2014 at 02:58

Exactly! You don't steer around the corner, you power slide through it.

Kinja'd!!!

oldirtybootz > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 03:08

I'm in love with the Hellcat rigjt now but I'd still even take a Shaker or Scat Pack. I'm not too crazy about the current car but the refresh looks so sexy and the interior is a massive improvement. I'd really like to replace the Dart with a Shaker, preferably in this blue. I also like the grille of the V6 cars better than the blacked out on on the 8s.

Kinja'd!!!

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > oldirtybootz
07/13/2014 at 03:11

Get a blue V8, and find a chrome V6 grille. Sounds like the best option.

samssun > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 03:21

Anybody else curious about the ring time of something this heavy with 707 hp?

ZiptieMcBumper > Jayhawk Jake
07/13/2014 at 03:36

It is a lot more substantial, but I could actually see out of the Challenger.

Jonathan Harper > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7
07/13/2014 at 08:20

DAT HAMMER!

Jonathan Harper > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 08:20

Find a 6 series or CL mercedes to sit in. Then tell me about big coupes :)

Illegal Machine > DanZman
07/13/2014 at 08:46

It cut an 11.2 on 126mph on 275's. FYI.

Illegal Machine > Jayhawk Jake
07/13/2014 at 08:47

There is a good chance the Hellcat will be priced lower than the JGC SRT, which go for around 70-75k.

MFEJAL grey because who knows... > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 08:59

I'm tired of you "burnout, wheeee!!!!" nonsense.

crowmolly > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 09:14

Sometimes you want a chateaubriand with bearnaise sauce and other times life calls for a bacon cheeseburger. It will take corners but probably not remarkably well. That's not the point, and to me it seems like Dodge made that abundantly clear.

3ch0 > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 10:36

And let's be clear. Any car is capable of cornering better/faster than you would ever dare to. That's why we have race car drivers.

oldirtybootz > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 10:39

Kinja'd!!!

This is tempting as well though.

PanchoVilleneuve ST > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 12:31

Kinja'd!!!

Look at what they did with the Neon. They gave the Neon 245 lb-ft of torque, and instead of making what you'd think would result: a car that would accelerate very, very quickly at an unpredictable angle into a lamppost, they instead made a new god for the autocross pantheon.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/13/2014 at 14:06

Which is perfectly fine, but I think its a little bit disappointing to see that they couldn't make a challenger that is a corner carver. With all the technology we have now, they can't keep playing the same game and compete in sales against the other two.

I like the Challenger too, but I don't think everyone is just hating on it ro hate on it. I think people are just disappointed that they're going to sell it for ZL1 price, and have nowhere near the capability. Whereas a little more R&D could've made something that actually CONVERTED people looking at a ZL1.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > PanchoVilleneuve ST
07/13/2014 at 14:10

And then the Cobalt SS came and showed it how to really turn.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jonathan Harper
07/13/2014 at 14:48

I've sat in a 6, it didn't feel as roomy. Maybe it was more narrow? I dunno.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > oldirtybootz
07/13/2014 at 14:55

Oh, oh, oh. I love the new Charger.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > PanchoVilleneuve ST
07/13/2014 at 14:59

It also weighs a lot less, and has about a third the amount of torque. FWD be damned, that's a bit of a difference.

DanZman > Illegal Machine
07/13/2014 at 14:59

wow, color me impressed! I'm basing my conclusion on the fact that I have personally seen 662hp GT500s have issues with traction on 285s. And my car with "only" 520whp can easily break traction on 325s.

I wonder if the traction control is helping handle torque down low. It will be interesting to see what an "average joe" can get out of one of these cars.

MoparOrNoCar (Okay, maybe a Mazda?) > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches.
07/13/2014 at 23:34

...into a pile of junk as fast as possible

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > MoparOrNoCar (Okay, maybe a Mazda?)
07/14/2014 at 01:48

Lol really? I don't even like Cobalts, but there is a reason why there are so many of them still around and sadly, not the case for SRT-4s. All you have to do to outrun an SRT-4 is make him shift into 3rd.

Quick? Yes. Reliable? Not so much. Better on a road course? Definitely not. Better overall car? Debatable, but the SS has a much nicer interior and creature comforts.

MoparOrNoCar (Okay, maybe a Mazda?) > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches.
07/14/2014 at 17:24

The big problem with the SRT is the fact that they were bought by 20 year olds, not 25 year olds like the SS, so they were promptly totalled. You're right that it's hard to see an SRT anymore, but once you look at a junkyard, you'll see that 95% of them are there because the dumbass drivers wrecked.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > MoparOrNoCar (Okay, maybe a Mazda?)
07/14/2014 at 19:01

Which ends up being the case for any decently quick FWD car sadly. I remember seeing SVT Foci being totalled. And for christ's sake they only have 200hp.

Satoshi "Zipang" Katsura > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/14/2014 at 22:50

it can't corner bro!

Kinja'd!!!

In all seriousness, what the hell did I read in that topic earlier?

BiffMagnetude > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
07/17/2014 at 16:00

I am sure this thing will do a fantastic job of terrifying babies and melting tires. My only problem is it makes it seem like Dodge is running out of ideas. They have taken an ancient platform and the best they can come up with is more horsepower. Any manufacturer could do the same. Even though it's the fastest the Challenger lives at the bottom of my muscle car wish list.

I'd rather have a Mustang GT/BOSS 302/GT500 or a Z28/ZL1. In my experience the previous Challengers were not that fun to drive and it had nothing to do with lack of power. This effort just seems a little desperate.